I got em, they are good in woopy stuff where the bike is quickly changing angle but I find them off putting on very steep descents and climbs. They can feel a little loose under foot when you need to feel everything solidly. Well made but they weight a ton. Would i take em off now I have them? probably not. but would I pay full wack for a second set if they broke? No – not worth the price or the weight. I would like something out of titanium with much firmer feel maybe for 60% of the full price retail. Maybe I should find a friendly manufacturer and get designing. I have autocad on here somewhere, I think I am going to spend that money on a drawing tablet for this computer.